5.3 Fourth Day – John The Mighty Saviour


mansoor muhammed: hey today i had a chat with some ananomous person called ‘dominus_jesus.christus’. i dont even know the guy or how he got my chat id. if it was u trying to talk to me in a different note then i wud appreciate it and i’ll look forward to it. but alas i typed the following response long time ago. i had put a fair amount of hard work in it and its tiring to change now. so if at all anything is personally offensive to you in the following response, then i hope u wud overlook it. and read for the sake of scholarly interest. but if u werent that ananymous person then cheers, forget all and read on.
mansoor muhammed: was i exaggerating when i said that u r dumb? i merely spoke the truth about u. u took 2 days of chatting to let me know that u indeed take pleasure in gleefully believing that jesus(peace) is the actual begoten Son of God. and that too i had to infer this conclusion on my own. and then i made it clear that u should be quoting verbatim sentences spoken by jesus when u try to prove something to me and not by quoting from third party sources like acts and romans etc etc that were produced long after jesus’s time. also i was merely checking whether u r actually reading what i type or not.

ill be coming back to muslim manners shortly. so u think that luke 1:69 refers to jesus? thanks for giving me yet another proof for your verse twisting tactics.

Mansoor muhammed: or the sake of my blog viewers i’ll perhaps explain who the bible truly refers in luke 1:69; –
luke 1:57 – John’s mom give birth to John
luke 1:58 – the neighbours rejoice
luke 1:59 – the neighbours try to name him as ‘Zacharias’
luke 1:60 – but john’s mom disagrees and says it should be ‘john’
luke 1:61 – neighbours comment that nobody has been called by that name before
luke 1:62 – so neighbours ask father’s opinion
luke 1:63 – Father signals with the name ‘john’ (he cannot speak till now)
luke 1:64 – suddenly father starts speaking aloud
luke 1:65 – neighbours are amazed
luke 1:65 – neighbours are amazed
mansoor muhammed:
luke 1:66 – neighbours suspect the change was due to the child and say “what is this child going to be”? and the bible continues “for it was plain that the Lord’s power was upon him” (on the child) observe that these strange changes were due to the child john who was just born and their is no role of jesus anywhere.
luke 1:67 – john’s father speaks aloud
so this was the background. and now the next two verses you say are referring to jesus? are u sure? coz now ill be prooving that they refer to john and not jesus. these are the verses:-
luke 1:68 – “Let us praise the Lord,the God of Israel!He has come to the help of his people and has set them free.”
luke 1:69 – “He has provided for us a mighty Saviour,a descendent of his servant David”.
mansoor muhammed: now what do people do when a new born child is born? of course theyll praise God (just like john’s father in luke 1:68) and thank him for giving them the child. no one wud start thanking God for somebody else’s child who wasnt even born!
when ur wife gives birth to a child wud u amen.hallelu_jah thank God for the not yet born child of your pregnant neighbour or wud it be for ur own child? of course it wud be for ur child. if only u read the bible as it is plainly without being brainwashed by your church u will see my point.

mansoor muhammed: now coming back to my islamic manners in the discussion. why dont we have a look at christian manners in the bible. So compare my ‘pathetic’ and ‘dumb’ remarks with the following remarks from the mouth of jesus (peace) of the bible:-
“Ye hypocrites…” matthew 23:13
“ye wicked and adulterous generation….” mathew 12:39
“Ye whited sepulchres…” mathew 23:27
“ye serpents, generation of vipers…” mathew 23:33
jesus of bible calls his mother “WOMAN” (john 2:4) the same manner in which he addresses a prostitute “…WOMAN where are those thine accusers? john (8:10)
“3.And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4.Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.” john 2:3-4
[Now Jesus is addressing the prostitute:-]
mansoor muhammed: “When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?” john 8:10
do u amen.hallelu_jah ever call ur mother “WOMAN” or any of you my blog veiwers speak to ur mothers as WOMAN, what i have to with thee”? these are the manners of jesus of the bible. i can never never believe that my beloved teacher jesus(peace) cud call his mother like that. the bible never ceases in hurling insults at God and His prophets and u amen.hallelu_jah seem to have no problem with that. sad indeed
Anyway, the jesus(peace) of the Quran is a very desciplined and obedient Son. check out quran 19:30-34, jesus (peace) says: –
30.”He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a
31. “And He hath made me Blessed wheresoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer and
Charity as long as I live;
32. “(He) hath made me kind to my mother and not overbearing or miserable;
33. “So Peace is on me the day I was born the day that I die and the Day that I shall be
raised up to life (again)”!

34.Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about which they (vainly)

mansoor muhammed: how sad that the entire christendom has disputed about jesus (peace) for over 2000 years! iam honored and blessed to be a follower of this book which gives the highest honour and respect to God and his messengers. u can prove me wrong here. infact i dare u to. take it as a challenge. but be warned that if u resort to verse twisting tactics then ill be digging into adult topics present in the bible like prophets of God indulging in incest with someone (who i know and am not mentioning it here coz the world is reading this). but ill do it if u resort to unfair means.

To Bloggers – Dear Christian missionaries do you now see how much the Quran and us respect Jesus (peace)? It is your bible that disrespects him exactly like how it disrespects almost all prophets by allegedly making them do unholy and slanderous acts in the bible. Just for a quick recall of your memories, remember prophet lot’s story. (peace on him). If any christian is unable to recall it then they can request me to go into details. i will inshallah oblige.


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