mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:07 AM): i sure do brother. lets get calm ok?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:13 AM): i ll calm down first
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:19 AM): and now u calm down
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:39 AM): and tell me were u that other person?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:00 AM): who contacted me? i wud appreciate if it
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:25:14 AM): I don’t know any other persons..
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:14 AM): was u or someone who u know
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:31 AM): wait ill give his id
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:25:51 AM): you gave it allready, i think
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:26:00 AM): so what about it ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:26:17 AM): something like dominus.christus etc?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:26:33 AM): is He Christian ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:26:51 AM): ya he is. a wonderful person.
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:27:04 AM): he gave me a link to a christian software
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:27:21 AM): ill paste here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:28:53 AM): http://www.e-sword.net/
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:29:41 AM): he says that it has almost features to download almost all versions of bible in english
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:29:52 AM): nice
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:30:34 AM): ya
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:31:19 AM): so i do want to make u a muslim ok just like how u want to make me a christian. its a mutual feeling that we have and its a gud thing
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:31:47 AM): afterall though sometimes things get ugly. ultimately we want to save each other. isnt it?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:32:05 AM): well, actually, i cannot make you Christian, only God in His grace can you saving faith in Jesus Chirst
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:32:12 AM): ur right
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:32:22 AM): thats true absolutely
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:00 AM): but we have to be the means. for our sakes. and for the beautiful feeling of love that God has put in our hearts
To Bloggers – he says “only God in His grace can you saving faith in Jesus Christ”. and i said “ur right”. i still do. In fact we don’t need the Christians to make us have faith in Jesus (peace), we already do by that by the orders of Muhammad (peace) and Allah. We are taught to believe that any Muslim who doesn’t have faith even in one of the prophets will be damned.
Iam trying to strke a neutral cord here. but the stiff necked christian doesn’t seem to understand. He continues to have his biased belief that all non Christians will be damned as if he has done some great research in non christian faiths and had come to that conclusion. read on…
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:03 AM): well, if you know that is true, then you would know you are damned
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:22 AM): or you mean islamic “allah” does same ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:32 AM): though soemetimes the feeling gets overshadowed by satan
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:44 AM): see, in discussion you need to me very clear what you mean
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:51 AM): anyway we have to try. thats what i want to say
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:34:09 AM): so are you saying that only islamic “allah” can make me a muslim ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:34:09 AM): iam listening go on
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:28 AM): no no brother. there is nothing like islamic ‘Allah’ or Christian ‘Father’ . we know who we are talking about. we are not jews bro to claim God for thier own. we are christians and muslims where God is universal
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:36 AM): and we have to be happy abou it
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:42 AM): *about
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:00 AM): sorry, I cannot blasheme Holy God by mixing it anyway with islamic “allah”..
To bloggers – Alas! such is the character of these missionaries!
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:31 AM): so if you want to discuss, then you need to understand that when I speak about islam, i speak about islamic god, islamic “allah”
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:59 AM): ofcourse if you feel offended by that, then you can ofcourse refuse to discuss, and I understand that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:39:29 AM): see ? this is why i find it difficult to preach islam to u bro. u are so obsessed with christianity that u dont even lend a sleepy ear to other faiths. we are not like that. atleast iam not. i read ur books, i read the books of hindus and my own. thats how fair iam. and yes i thank u for offering me an option to point it out to you when i get offended. i really appreciate that
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:39:57 AM): well, I have read quran and hadiths….
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:20 AM): mashallah! (meaning paise be God!).
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:27 AM): am happy about that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:48 AM): go on.
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:41:16 AM): so point is not that I am ignorant, its just that God have commanded that He is not mixed with any falsehood
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:41:28 AM): i agree
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:41:33 AM): continue
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:42:02 AM): continue what ? I just explained why I speak about islamic “allah”
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:42:12 AM): that’s was my point
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:45:53 AM): ok. i understand i think. but for the sake of scholarly interest i want to tell u that ‘ALLAH’ in arabic means ‘GOD’ thats all. even christian arabs know God by no other name but Allah. so u really dont have to worry with mixing falsities etc. ALLAH means just GOD. thats all. like how we the word GOD in english, similarly we the word ALLAH for that super power. the matter is as simple as that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:45:55 AM): bro
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:46:34 AM): orginally allah was name of ilah
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:46:41 AM): ya ur right
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:46:44 AM): i think
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:46:55 AM): so orginally its not word meaning God
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:47:16 AM): when language developed now adays Allah means just GOd
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:47:39 AM): but that was hebrew? or some other language isnt it? here we are talking about Arabic
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:47:53 AM): but when arabic Christians speak about Allah they mean God, not any name of God
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:48:04 AM): so in arabic originally or whatever it was and is and will be Allah
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:48:19 AM): so there is no name allah of God
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:48:35 AM): its just one prove that islamic “god” is not God of Bible
To bloggers – seriously i myself haven’t understood what he is trying to say. Like most missionaries, he always takes great interest in arguing over insignificant things like the above. but when it comes to some real things like ‘sonship’ or ‘godship’ of jesus (peace), they take 2 days of bush beating to answer and still don’t clear up the air.
Behold! my bloggers, i present you the best part of the conversation – i call it -“The Chickening”
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:48:51 AM): ok
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:49:49 AM): hey bro what time is it now over there in finland?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:50:22 AM): u there?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:52:07 AM): 22.22
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:52:49 AM): ok
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:55:19 AM): are u sure u do not know this person dominus_iesus.christus ? coz if u really dont know then i think my id is being tracked. feels gud
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:55:33 AM): anyway
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:55:56 AM): no, I do not know Him
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:41:59 AM): hey i lost the starting part of todays conversation. the first few lines that u said before i started replying. cud u paste it here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:42:29 AM): some problem with my system. archives keep getting deleted
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:42:40 AM): well, I am sorry
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:22 AM): dont be so rude. i thought we were getting along quite well. all iam asking is a few lines maybe less than 10. its for the blog. well if u dont give me then i will be forced to reconstruct from my memory
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:27 AM): of what u said
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:29 AM): look, i thought you do not want discuss this time ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:43 AM): ya but i have to catalogue first
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:43 AM): I am discussing others here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:51 AM): system problems remember?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:54 AM): so bye for now
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:48:07 AM): seriously dude why are u so scared! fine then bye. gud for me. i was only trying to be fare. ill reconstruct it myself. dont blame me later that i cheated. anyway a damper for you – i have all the rest of our conversations. iam generally well prepared for such unforseen things. thanks to notepad from microsoft.
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:48:13 AM): so bye
To bloggers- Did you see that? did u just see that? its so exhiliarating to see them panicking. i am sure he had’nt imagined that i wud go this far in conversating with him. when i met him online for the first time in islam chat room he wud have thought of talking some sweet words of jesus saving or redeeming or getting killed for our sins etc etc and getting away with it. Alas! no why alas? gud for me. cheers! cheers to you all and cheers to me. this is the moment of celebration. and cheers to Allah for giving this day to me.
and oh one more thing. to cover up his evident panick act orwhatever he seem to lie that he doesnt keep the archive files: –
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 2:43:17 AM): so you keep logs ?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 2:43:27 AM): well, I do not keep logs
in the page 5.2 his archives seem to be perfectly fine and well maintained. This is what he had said back then : –
“amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:20:19 PM): well, its good to know what whole world sees what are islamic manners in discussion: (26.9.2008 13:19:51) mansoor muhammed: u know what, ur so dumb.”
Its not surprizing to know that missionaries can stoop to lying. Infact this lie (Allah knows best) is nothing compared to the biggest lie on earth that they say: – That jesus (peace) is the actual son of God. Any way u read on and comment on….