A Wonderful Encounter with A christian Missionary in an Islamic Chat Room

Scientifically Proving That Quran Is Word Of God and responses from our non – Muslim Brethren:

1. First Proof – Life From Water in the Quran

2. Second Proof – Big Bang Theory in the Quran

3. Third Proof – Pairs in Plants in the Quran

4. Fourth Proof – Divisibility of Atom in the Quran

5. Fifth Proof – Creation of the Universe from Smoke in the Quran

6. Sixth Proof – Iron from Outer Space in the Quran

1.1 INTRODUCTION: –

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In the name of ALLAH,
Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Dear Christian and Muslim brethern,
As u all are aware we are now in the holy month of Ramadan. Strangely though, i dont understand why, i find that the christian and jew traffic in islamic chat rooms is atleast 10 times more during this holy month. The world seems to be not satisfied with demeaning, defaming and misinterpreting us. Alas! they dont seem to spare us even in our own chat rooms. So i decided to do something about it.

I found a christian (of course in an islamic chat room!) trying to sheep innocent muslims. We had long chats about christianity, the bible, jesus (peace be on him) and so on. Notice that there is no mention about discussing Quran or muhammad (peace be on him) etc, the person doesnt consider discussing these worth his time. Anyway, i wanted the world to judge between us as to who is fair in the chat. also i desire to expose some of the typical christian onslaughts on muslims and the way to counter them. So that was the reason for me to create this blog. I hope u all post ur sincere and thoughtful comments. I want you all to know that i love my Christian brethern as much as i love myself or my muslim brethern. As long as they are fair and just, i love em all.

I have indexed the blog so that you read our conversations in the correct chronological order.
Go in this order 1.1 , 2.1 , 2.2 …… 3.1 , 3.2 ……. etc. And dont forget to drop in your comments. ill be posting them to him too.

Anyway this is my yahoo messenger id ‘mansoormuhammed12’.  This is the christian’s id ‘amen.hallelu_jah’.

5.1 Fourth Day – Jesus (peace ) Not The only saviour

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mansoormuhammed12 (3:49:18 PM): u know what, ur so dumb. i just asked u not to paste ‘inspired’ words from some human character of bible.whose words are acts 4:10-12 anyway?. are they the words of my beloved master jesus (peace be on him)? if not then they hold no value in my heart.keep between urselves and ur church.anyway thanks. u r helping me once again
to prove another of biblical contradictions.
mansoormuhammed12 (3:49:41 PM): u pasted –
Acts 4:10 you must know, all of you, and the whole people of Israel, that it is by the
name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, and God raised from the dead, by
this name and by no other that this man stands before you cured.Acts 4:11 This is the stone which you, the builders, rejected but which has become the cornerstone. Only in him
is there salvation;Acts 4:12 for of all the names in the world given to men, this is the only one by which we can be saved.’
mansoormuhammed12 (3:52:04 PM): the above verse says that “this name and by no other that this man stands before you cured” and “this is the only one by which we can be saved”. all this definitely implies that jesus is ‘OUR ONLY SAVIOR’

BUT………….alas! ur bible seems to have made a serious error coz luke 1:69 it says that JOHN the baptist is our saviour.check out:-
John’s mom give birth to John – luke 1:57 “Now Elisabeth’s full time came that she should be delivered; and she brought forth a son.”
mansoormuhammed12 (3:53:21 PM): her neighbours try to name him Zacharias, after his father. but his mom disagrees and names him as John.
luke 1:59-60 “And it came to pass, that on the eighth day they came to circumcise the child; and they called him Zacharias, after the name of his father. 60 And his mother answered and said, Not so; but he shall be called John.”
mansoormuhammed12 (3:58:30 PM): holy ghost fills john’s father with himself and the father says:- luke 1:68-69 “Let us praise the Lord, the God of Israel!He has come to the help of his people and has set them free. 79. He has provided for us a mighty Saviour,a descendent of his servant David”
there u go, one verse in the bible says that jesus(peace) “is the only one by which we can be saved” but some other verse says that John is the saviour. ur bible is riddled with such contradictions.they wont work on me and ill make sure that they wont work on my other brethern as well. i had to give u whole story of johns birth so that u dont use your verse twisting tactics and say that this mighty saviour of luke 1:69 was jesus and not jhon.(peace on both)

mansoormuhammed12 (4:08:36 PM): also ill be posting ur replies in a blog that ill make. so u better read what i type or else the whole world (consisting of both christians and muslims who wud visit) wud also think ur dumb. ur christian missionaries wud be angry on u for putting up such a poor stand against me. so read properly what i type properly before u answer and then think and then put ur reply. dont forget that the world will be reading our chats.

5.2 Fourth Day

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amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:20:19 PM): well, its good to know what whole world sees what are islamic manners in discussion:

(26.9.2008 13:19:51) mansoor muhammed: u know what, ur so dumb.

To bloggers – A VERY IMPORTANT OBSERVATION.

It is evident that the above sentenxce in bold blue was taken from his archives. So this proves that the christian DOES MAINTAIN ARCHIVE FILES. iam telling this coz after some time he’s going to lie that he doesnt maintain them!!
amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:27:24 PM): he is speaking about Jesus, this is what He say about John the babtist: Luke 1:76 And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways,
amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:27:44 PM): Luke 1:77 to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins,
amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:28:47 PM): and what John the babtist (baptist) himself says about our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ ? John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

The readers can care to leave their opinion on this and it wud be appreciated.

5.3 Fourth Day – John The Mighty Saviour

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mansoor muhammed: hey today i had a chat with some ananomous person called ‘dominus_jesus.christus’. i dont even know the guy or how he got my chat id. if it was u trying to talk to me in a different note then i wud appreciate it and i’ll look forward to it. but alas i typed the following response long time ago. i had put a fair amount of hard work in it and its tiring to change now. so if at all anything is personally offensive to you in the following response, then i hope u wud overlook it. and read for the sake of scholarly interest. but if u werent that ananymous person then cheers, forget all and read on.
mansoor muhammed: was i exaggerating when i said that u r dumb? i merely spoke the truth about u. u took 2 days of chatting to let me know that u indeed take pleasure in gleefully believing that jesus(peace) is the actual begoten Son of God. and that too i had to infer this conclusion on my own. and then i made it clear that u should be quoting verbatim sentences spoken by jesus when u try to prove something to me and not by quoting from third party sources like acts and romans etc etc that were produced long after jesus’s time. also i was merely checking whether u r actually reading what i type or not.

ill be coming back to muslim manners shortly. so u think that luke 1:69 refers to jesus? thanks for giving me yet another proof for your verse twisting tactics.

Mansoor muhammed: or the sake of my blog viewers i’ll perhaps explain who the bible truly refers in luke 1:69; –
luke 1:57 – John’s mom give birth to John
luke 1:58 – the neighbours rejoice
luke 1:59 – the neighbours try to name him as ‘Zacharias’
luke 1:60 – but john’s mom disagrees and says it should be ‘john’
luke 1:61 – neighbours comment that nobody has been called by that name before
luke 1:62 – so neighbours ask father’s opinion
luke 1:63 – Father signals with the name ‘john’ (he cannot speak till now)
luke 1:64 – suddenly father starts speaking aloud
luke 1:65 – neighbours are amazed
luke 1:65 – neighbours are amazed
mansoor muhammed:
luke 1:66 – neighbours suspect the change was due to the child and say “what is this child going to be”? and the bible continues “for it was plain that the Lord’s power was upon him” (on the child) observe that these strange changes were due to the child john who was just born and their is no role of jesus anywhere.
luke 1:67 – john’s father speaks aloud
so this was the background. and now the next two verses you say are referring to jesus? are u sure? coz now ill be prooving that they refer to john and not jesus. these are the verses:-
luke 1:68 – “Let us praise the Lord,the God of Israel!He has come to the help of his people and has set them free.”
luke 1:69 – “He has provided for us a mighty Saviour,a descendent of his servant David”.
mansoor muhammed: now what do people do when a new born child is born? of course theyll praise God (just like john’s father in luke 1:68) and thank him for giving them the child. no one wud start thanking God for somebody else’s child who wasnt even born!
when ur wife gives birth to a child wud u amen.hallelu_jah thank God for the not yet born child of your pregnant neighbour or wud it be for ur own child? of course it wud be for ur child. if only u read the bible as it is plainly without being brainwashed by your church u will see my point.

mansoor muhammed: now coming back to my islamic manners in the discussion. why dont we have a look at christian manners in the bible. So compare my ‘pathetic’ and ‘dumb’ remarks with the following remarks from the mouth of jesus (peace) of the bible:-
“Ye hypocrites…” matthew 23:13
“ye wicked and adulterous generation….” mathew 12:39
“Ye whited sepulchres…” mathew 23:27
“ye serpents, generation of vipers…” mathew 23:33
jesus of bible calls his mother “WOMAN” (john 2:4) the same manner in which he addresses a prostitute “…WOMAN where are those thine accusers? john (8:10)
“3.And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. 4.Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.” john 2:3-4
[Now Jesus is addressing the prostitute:-]
mansoor muhammed: “When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?” john 8:10
do u amen.hallelu_jah ever call ur mother “WOMAN” or any of you my blog veiwers speak to ur mothers as WOMAN, what i have to with thee”? these are the manners of jesus of the bible. i can never never believe that my beloved teacher jesus(peace) cud call his mother like that. the bible never ceases in hurling insults at God and His prophets and u amen.hallelu_jah seem to have no problem with that. sad indeed
Anyway, the jesus(peace) of the Quran is a very desciplined and obedient Son. check out quran 19:30-34, jesus (peace) says: –
30.”He said: “I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a
prophet;
31. “And He hath made me Blessed wheresoever I be and hath enjoined on me Prayer and
Charity as long as I live;
32. “(He) hath made me kind to my mother and not overbearing or miserable;
33. “So Peace is on me the day I was born the day that I die and the Day that I shall be
raised up to life (again)”!
34.Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth about which they (vainly)
dispute.”

mansoor muhammed: how sad that the entire christendom has disputed about jesus (peace) for over 2000 years! iam honored and blessed to be a follower of this book which gives the highest honour and respect to God and his messengers. u can prove me wrong here. infact i dare u to. take it as a challenge. but be warned that if u resort to verse twisting tactics then ill be digging into adult topics present in the bible like prophets of God indulging in incest with someone (who i know and am not mentioning it here coz the world is reading this). but ill do it if u resort to unfair means.

To Bloggers – Dear Christian missionaries do you now see how much the Quran and us respect Jesus (peace)? It is your bible that disrespects him exactly like how it disrespects almost all prophets by allegedly making them do unholy and slanderous acts in the bible. Just for a quick recall of your memories, remember prophet lot’s story. (peace on him). If any christian is unable to recall it then they can request me to go into details. i will inshallah oblige.

5.4 Fourth Day – Evident Unfairness

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To Bloggers – I want to inform you before hand that the following reply from amen.hallelu_jah was reconstructed entirely from my memory. For reasons best known to Allah, my Message Archives keep getting deleted though i have proper saving settings. Anyway nothing to worry, i always keep back ups. Unfortunately the following reply from him got deleted. I also asked him to give it to me from his Archives. But he refused. You’ll find out all this at the end of the conversation.

amen.hallelu_jah: all scripture is inspired by God. but u dont believe. u expext sentences from jesus? what logic is there?
mansoor muhammad: if the gospels is about the so called ‘son of god’ then why shud’nt i expect sentences spoken from him? unless of course bible is like JK rowlings harry potter where we find sentences from the mouth of Ron and hermione and harry and not from the mouth of JK Rowling herself. Talk about logic! u see, that is the difference between ur bible and the quran. in quran everything is from the mouth of God. unlike the gospel which has human narrators, in quran it is God who is the narrator. he even narrates those sentences that prophets spoke in his own style. oh and what do i see here? all scripture is inspired by God? you are tempting me to dwell in the adult topics like prophets and incest and other indecencies like forcible sex etc etc present in the bible and dont forget about the 200 odd list of contradictions that are on the tip of my tongue (sorry fingers)we cud discuss them whole night if u want. but let me cut short. The ENTIRE bible is NOT THE WORD OF GOD. few parts may have been from God. i agree. but not the entire book.every body knows that the bible is an evolving book with frequent alterations. so brother accept gracefully this fact.

amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:01:28 AM): so point is you do not believe bible is inspired word of God and you reject gospel of Jesus Christ
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:01:36 AM): so what there is to discuss ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:02:24 AM): there is so much . ill let u know. unlike u i read every word u type . so be patient
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:02:53 AM): i try to understand what u type too and not just blindly enter text in the box
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:03:07 AM): do you somehow think that if you cause me to lose my faith, I would become muslim ???
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:03:18 AM): patience
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:03:25 AM): ill let u know
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:03:46 AM): ur disturbing my train of thoughts.
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:03:53 AM): so wait
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:04:22 AM): well, if you I would be atheist, I would call you slow and that there is not much to disturb
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:04:42 AM): but as I am not, I will wait…
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:07:13 AM): but really, are you still reading ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:07:44 AM): finished reading. now iam understanding
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:07:50 AM): good…
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:07:56 AM): thanks
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:09:17 AM): so if you want me to become muslim, you are going very wrong way, attacking my faith as Christian, ever makes me a muslim
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:09:53 AM): but maybe you just like attack my faith, and do not even want me being muslim
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:10:27 AM): but what islamic “allah” thinks if you make me atheist ?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:12:26 AM): seems that you are busy, so if you want to discuss, then may I ask that you do it when you have no other things

To Blog Veiwers – Dear Christian missionaries, please read the following response very carefull. iam reflecting the general feelings of christians towards muslims here

mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:20:40 AM): i want u to know that i have finished making a blog. so talk sense and read what i type properly . the world wud be quick in knowing how unfair u are. u know the difference between me and u? a minor difference? well i wud read even if u type a boring poem from wordsworth if u do it to prove a point to me. other differences include your hatred towards muhammad (peace) though i have none to my beloved teacher jesus (peace). u guys probably are taught in the church to hate him more than Osama bin laden. no problem. and oh yes my motive is to try to change ur mind. dont tell me that ur motive was to give away free santa gifts to children when i found u in islam chat.

mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:20:43 AM): and what were u telling about u losing faith and wud prefer being an atheist and not a muslim? congrats u proved a quranic teaaching to me:- “As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur)” Quran 2:6-7

mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:20:50 AM): cool then. thats fine with me. and yes u guessed it right. and yes i like attacking your faith. now now did u have noble intentions like strenghtening a muslims faith in islam when u entered islam chat? i dont think so. see? unlike u iam so fair and truthful. and now i will ask courteously for your permission to discusss a few ‘holy’ acts that some of the biblical characters do. or shall we move on to the contradictions? dont worry ill paste all these in the blog WITHOUT any alterations.

mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:21:07 AM): time is 12:21
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:21:15 AM): pm
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:22:06 AM): hearing what ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:22:11 AM): now time is 12:22
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:22:15 AM): you have just attacked bible
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:22:23 AM): i caught u , u didnt read
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:22:30 AM): cheers
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:22:31 AM): you have not even tried to make me a muslim
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:22:51 AM):
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:22:55 AM): i caught u
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:23:05 AM): not reading cheers to me
To Blog Viewers – Christian and Muslims alike please notice the time that elapsed since my last of the lengthy posts and the first of his replies. i have highlighted them in deep puple for u. the time was auto generated by Yahoo messenger. so it is more accurate than my manual timing of amen.hallelu_jah. So lets do some maths now. 12:22:06 minus 12:21:15 = 51 seconds.
lets subract say 5 more seconds which involves the time taken for him to type “hearing what ?”. ie actual time that he took to read was 51 – 5 = 46 seconds! And then we are not exchanging bed time stories here. I believe this is a highly intellectual talk at least from my side! So now do you people from both sides see how unfair he is in his approach. He knew i caught him not reading and since we both knew that these talks wud be publicized, it was a different matter now. So now he changes his stiff necked stand a little. Me being obsessed with fairness and justice, i too loosen my stand a bit.

amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:23:15 AM): man, you are very slow…
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:23:40 AM): but I give you think, I will listen all you want to say, if you truly want make me a muslim

5.5 – Fourth Day – The Best Part.

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mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:07 AM): i sure do brother. lets get calm ok?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:13 AM): i ll calm down first
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:19 AM): and now u calm down
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:24:39 AM): and tell me were u that other person?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:00 AM): who contacted me? i wud appreciate if it
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:25:14 AM): I don’t know any other persons..
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:14 AM): was u or someone who u know
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:25:31 AM): wait ill give his id
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:25:51 AM): you gave it allready, i think
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:26:00 AM): so what about it ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:26:17 AM): something like dominus.christus etc?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:26:33 AM): is He Christian ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:26:51 AM): ya he is. a wonderful person.
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:27:04 AM): he gave me a link to a christian software
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:27:21 AM): ill paste here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:28:53 AM): http://www.e-sword.net/
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:29:41 AM): he says that it has almost features to download almost all versions of bible in english
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:29:52 AM): nice
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:30:34 AM): ya
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:31:19 AM): so i do want to make u a muslim ok just like how u want to make me a christian. its a mutual feeling that we have and its a gud thing
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:31:47 AM): afterall though sometimes things get ugly. ultimately we want to save each other. isnt it?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:32:05 AM): well, actually, i cannot make you Christian, only God in His grace can you saving faith in Jesus Chirst
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:32:12 AM): ur right
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:32:22 AM): thats true absolutely
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:00 AM): but we have to be the means. for our sakes. and for the beautiful feeling of love that God has put in our hearts

To Bloggers – he says “only God in His grace can you saving faith in Jesus Christ”. and i said “ur right”. i still do. In fact we don’t need the Christians to make us have faith in Jesus (peace), we already do by that by the orders of Muhammad (peace) and Allah. We are taught to believe that any Muslim who doesn’t have faith even in one of the prophets will be damned.

Iam trying to strke a neutral cord here. but the stiff necked christian doesn’t seem to understand.  He continues to have his biased belief that all non Christians will be damned as if he has done some great research in non christian faiths and had come to that conclusion. read on…

amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:03 AM): well, if you know that is true, then you would know you are damned
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:22 AM): or you mean islamic “allah” does same ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:32 AM): though soemetimes the feeling gets overshadowed by satan
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:33:44 AM): see, in discussion you need to me very clear what you mean
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:33:51 AM): anyway we have to try. thats what i want to say
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:34:09 AM): so are you saying that only islamic “allah” can make me a muslim ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:34:09 AM): iam listening go on
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:28 AM): no no brother. there is nothing like islamic ‘Allah’ or Christian ‘Father’ . we know who we are talking about. we are not jews bro to claim God for thier own. we are christians and muslims where God is universal
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:36 AM): and we have to be happy abou it
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:35:42 AM): *about
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:00 AM): sorry, I cannot blasheme Holy God by mixing it anyway with islamic “allah”..

To bloggers – Alas! such is the character of these missionaries!

amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:31 AM): so if you want to discuss, then you need to understand that when I speak about islam, i speak about islamic god, islamic “allah”
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:36:59 AM): ofcourse if you feel offended by that, then you can ofcourse refuse to discuss, and I understand that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:39:29 AM): see ? this is why i find it difficult to preach islam to u bro. u are so obsessed with christianity that u dont even lend a sleepy ear to other faiths. we are not like that. atleast iam not. i read ur books, i read the books of hindus and my own. thats how fair iam. and yes i thank u for offering me an option to point it out to you when i get offended. i really appreciate that
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:39:57 AM): well, I have read quran and hadiths….
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:20 AM): mashallah! (meaning paise be God!).
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:27 AM): am happy about that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:40:48 AM): go on.
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:41:16 AM): so point is not that I am ignorant, its just that God have commanded that He is not mixed with any falsehood
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:41:28 AM): i agree
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:41:33 AM): continue
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:42:02 AM): continue what ? I just explained why I speak about islamic “allah”
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:42:12 AM): that’s was my point
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:45:53 AM): ok. i understand i think. but for the sake of scholarly interest i want to tell u that ‘ALLAH’ in arabic means ‘GOD’ thats all. even christian arabs know God by no other name but Allah. so u really dont have to worry with mixing falsities etc. ALLAH means just GOD. thats all. like how we the word GOD in english, similarly we the word ALLAH for that super power. the matter is as simple as that
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:45:55 AM): bro
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:46:34 AM): orginally allah was name of ilah
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:46:41 AM): ya ur right
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:46:44 AM): i think
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:46:55 AM): so orginally its not word meaning God
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:47:16 AM): when language developed now adays Allah means just GOd
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:47:39 AM): but that was hebrew? or some other language isnt it? here we are talking about Arabic
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:47:53 AM): but when arabic Christians speak about Allah they mean God, not any name of God
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:48:04 AM): so in arabic originally or whatever it was and is and will be Allah
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:48:19 AM): so there is no name allah of God
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:48:35 AM): its just one prove that islamic “god” is not God of Bible

To bloggers – seriously i myself haven’t understood what he is trying to say.  Like most missionaries, he always takes great interest in arguing over insignificant things like the above. but when it comes to some real things like ‘sonship’ or ‘godship’ of jesus (peace), they take 2 days of bush beating to answer and still don’t clear up the air.

Behold! my bloggers, i present you the best part of the conversation – i call it -“The Chickening”

mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:48:51 AM): ok
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:49:49 AM): hey bro what time is it now over there in finland?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:50:22 AM): u there?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:52:07 AM): 22.22
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:52:49 AM): ok
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:55:19 AM): are u sure u do not know this person dominus_iesus.christus ? coz if u really dont know then i think my id is being tracked. feels gud
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 12:55:33 AM): anyway
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 12:55:56 AM): no, I do not know Him
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:41:59 AM): hey i lost the starting part of todays conversation. the first few lines that u said before i started replying. cud u paste it here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:42:29 AM): some problem with my system. archives keep getting deleted
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:42:40 AM): well, I am sorry
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:22 AM): dont be so rude. i thought we were getting along quite well. all iam asking is a few lines maybe less than 10. its for the blog. well if u dont give me then i will be forced to reconstruct from my memory
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:27 AM): of what u said
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:29 AM): look, i thought you do not want discuss this time ?
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:43 AM): ya but i have to catalogue first
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:43 AM): I am discussing others here
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:44:51 AM): system problems remember?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 1:44:54 AM): so bye for now
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:48:07 AM): seriously dude why are u so scared! fine then bye. gud for me. i was only trying to be fare. ill reconstruct it myself. dont blame me later that i cheated. anyway a damper for you – i have all the rest of our conversations. iam generally well prepared for such unforseen things. thanks to notepad from microsoft.
mansoor muhammed (9/28/2008 1:48:13 AM): so bye

To bloggers- Did you see that? did u just see that? its so exhiliarating to see them panicking. i am sure he had’nt imagined that i wud go this far in conversating with him. when i met him online for the first time in islam chat room he wud have thought of talking some sweet words of jesus saving or redeeming or getting killed for our sins etc etc and getting away with it. Alas! no why alas? gud for me. cheers! cheers to you all and cheers to me. this is the moment of celebration. and cheers to Allah for giving this day to me.

and oh one more thing. to cover up his evident panick act orwhatever he seem to lie that he doesnt keep the archive files: –

amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 2:43:17 AM): so you keep logs ?
amen.hallelu_jah (9/28/2008 2:43:27 AM): well, I do not keep logs

in the page 5.2 his archives seem to be perfectly fine and well maintained.  This is what he had said back then : –

“amen.hallelu_jah (9/26/2008 2:20:19 PM): well, its good to know what whole world sees what are islamic manners in discussion: (26.9.2008 13:19:51) mansoor muhammed: u know what, ur so dumb.”

Its not surprizing to know that missionaries can stoop to lying. Infact this lie (Allah knows best) is nothing compared to the biggest lie on earth that they say: – That jesus (peace) is the actual son of God. Any way u read on and comment on….